how many times under george w. bush -- >> 19 times. they voted 19 times. some $4 trillion they raised the debt ceiling 19 times under bush. without a peep, without a squeal. regular, standard votes. >> bill: no demands. >> no demands at all. >> bill: no unless you do this, we're going to shut it down. just 19 times. and now it is pure politics with barack obama. and i thought the president did a very good job yesterday of calling them out. we played this clip earlier. the republicans have two choice. do the responsible thing and pay our bills or -- >> send this country into a tailspin. it will be on their heads. when you have outside republicans saying you can't play these kinds of games you're going to pay for it politically, at the end of the day, i don't know how many of them are going to be able to. >> bill: ben bernanke from the fed telling congress hey, get serious. get serious. raise the debt ceiling and stop playing games. i don't know igor. got a lot to keep track of. somehow you manage to stay on top of all of it. >> great team over at think prog